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NL: Hello, everyone. My name is Natalie Ledwell and this is The Inspiration Show. Today on the show, my special guest is going to be talking about Divine Intelligence. What is that and how do we integrate that into our daily lives to really make our lives meaningful, purposeful, and juicy? So before we do that, before I introduce my special guest today, I just want to remind you that if you are watching the show on YouTube, don't forget to click the link underneath after you finish watching the show so you can take my 30-second quiz so we can see what's blocking you from success, and of course if you're watching this online, don't forget to leave your email so we can send you the
Manifesting With The Masters video e-course. So please help me in welcoming Dr. Jayne Gardner to the show. How are you today, Dr. Jayne?
JG: Hi Natalie. Nice to be here.
NL: It's a pleasure to have you here. Now, Divine Intelligence. I can't wait to get into this subject because it’s something that I believe we all should be integrating into our lives and I know that probably a lot of us are doing it unconsciously, but to be doing it purposely can really make a massive change in the results and how we get to live. But before we get into that subject, why don’t you tell us a little bit about your story and how you got to be doing this kind of work.
JG: Well, Natalie, when I was 5 years old was by beginnings, and as you probably know, when we are young, our Divine Intelligence is so intact and so there, and I just remember the first time I connected with it - I was walking down the steps of the church where I went with my mother and dad, and I looked at my mom after the church service was over and I said, “Mom but there's the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, but where's the girl part?” And so you know that's what it is, I was searching for this and I just don't think I ever really bought the Bill of Goods that said all of this is true. And yet after I grew up, I kind of did. I went to sleep with the whole thing that religion gives you; sometimes it’s that there's a man up in the sky that will take care of you or not, there's nothing you have to do, so let's let go of worrying about trying to get God consciousness because it's out there, not in here.
NL: Right. Yes, that's really interesting that we talk about that. Let’s touch first on what is Divine Intelligence and then we want to talk about the concept of “Is God out there?” or “Is God here?” You know, because it seems to be a couple different trains of thought on that.
JG: Yeah, Divine Intelligence is your innate limited potential to create.
JG: I just think we're all God. I think two centuries ago, I probably would have been burned at the stake for saying that, but today, so many of us already acknowledge that God is within us and we've taken God out of the sky and we know that God is a mindset, it is a consciousness that we can all have, we all do have. But like you said, if we could become more conscious of it and use it in a very powerful way, we could create whatever we wanted.
NL: Yeah, so what does that look like? Are we talking about implementing a daily practice? Is it just changing the way that we think? What does that look like?
JG: We all have a wake-up call. It's taking a wake-up call and making that decision to really look at yourself. And so I had that wake-up call many years ago, and when I woke up, I thought I have to have a process, and I was a psychologist in a mental health facility at the time doing an internship. None of my patients were getting better. They were getting more dependent on me, our medicine, our trips to see me, and so I just began to think we have to have something different or I can't stay in this profession. And as it happened, my life falling apart also, I kind of needed something to get it back together. So I worked with my patients and within myself to design a specific step-by-step process that we can go through to throw off the conditioning that I think we all have. Because that little girl in me, that little 5-year-old girl, eventually got conditioned to believe that there was an entity out there to depend on and not to use my own innate ability to create.
NL: Right. So I think what I hear you saying is that if we're practicing Divine Intelligence, what we're doing is rather than blaming God or people outside of us, for you know the lot in life that we have, it sounds like we're taking more responsibility for what's happening in our lives.
JG: That's true, but what I found was just telling someone that didn't do it, they got it, but they couldn't implement it, so I wanted to give them a way to reprogram their head. Basically, because the most limiting belief we all have is that God is separate from us and that we are not power, we have no power, powerless to that God. So what I did is I developed a process where you could begin to unlimit your mind. Because our mind controls us with how we were wired as a child of conditioning and we all have that. So I wanted to find a way to unlayer that. That's what I spent years just trying to work with patients one by one - this works, this doesn't - but I began to see a light appear in front of me that showed me this is how you do it. And it all has to do with emotion. Because you can sit and say you know, I'm not unlimited I am limitless all day long and it's still a problem because you haven't convinced your brain. And so I believe your brain is the entry to find God within yourself. And so we use emotions as part of what's going on in the brain and in neuroscience we know that emotions are more powerful than thoughts. So we see that emotions are the energy that it takes to connect with God. And emotions have different levels of power. So if we're feeling loving, we’re in a God-consciousness, and if we're feeling guilty or hurt or angry, we are still in our feelings, but we still need to raise our energy level to be able to really be that God-consciousness.
NL: Right. So it sounds like rather than God being a thought process, it's more of an experience that we feel within our bodies. So what kind of steps can people take to get themselves into that point?
JG: Yes, I think the first one is just to dare to think it. There's so much resistance around this concept, you know, I say I am God and even if you believe it, you have this kind of rise in you that couldn't be true. So we need to open up at first to just thinking it might be possible, and then as we begin to expand our consciousness and just begin to see that there are so many other ways to think, as we open our mind, we can gain entrance into that God-consciousness. So I have my people begin to write every day, and I help them determine the difference between their conditioning and their God-consciousness. And so you can tell your conditioning because it's very limiting; it says you can only do it this way and you're not good enough. I think the most limiting belief that we all have ‘is you can't do this because you’re not good enough,’ and so when those thoughts come up, I help people just write into them, and as soon as you begin to acknowledge them and look at them, they begin to dissipate, and you see this opening to be whoever you want to be, to be who you know you are in some ways.
NL: Yeah, I agree. I think the act of journaling or writing is a way for us to tap into that God part of us, or the higher consciousness or whatever that is. I mean that's how Neale Donald Walsch wrote, “Conversations with God.” Mike Dooley has just released a book as well, which was the same thing, him journaling and what was coming through him. So what would be the advantage or what would be the purpose of and how does it show up every day if we're living from this God-consciousness in our daily lives?
JG: Well, I'll give you an example: My granddaughter was diagnosed about nine months ago with cancer and it was the Stage IV Sarcoma so it was very “the medical profession said this.” And so what I had to do, and this is what we all have to do in our world, we have to look at what is out there and it appears to be the real world but it's really not. It's I think if we can open the veil and see that everything is fine and really begin to see the world from that unlimited consciousness viewpoint, then we can not only heal ourselves, but heal others. In this case, I have to work really hard to see my granddaughter in perfect health because everybody was telling us some other thing, but I saw her as perfect and in all kinds of health and therefore she became that. And another example is when she went to Disneyland, it's like when you walk into Disneyland as a child you think that's the real world. And when we walk in as adults, we think it's all just staged and fake. But it's really just the opposite, that is the real world. We just walk into a world we knew as magic every day, we would know we’re in the real world. So when we have limits, we have to begin to lift that veil of constraints that it has over us, and it really is about self-discovery, Natalie. It’s about the only God you'll ever know is the God within you. And so it's discovering who you are and what you can do with your mind.
NL: Right. It kind of sounds like we're encouraging people to swallow the ‘red pill’ and to see life through a different lens, and from a higher vibration, which is a higher consciousness. So let's just say that we know this to be true, then how do we, we’re still human beings and we're still here in this reality or in this world, and we’re confined by the rules of this reality, so how do you reconcile the two of those things together?
JG: How do you live in that “real world”?
JG: Well, I think it's the consciousness of knowing that there's a higher way, and what I teach is how to shift. You check yourself with this limiting belief that my granddaughter's going to die, and I just catch it and I'm aware that it's there, and I have to shift into another state of mind. And it's all about practice and repetition. And the brain is very resilient and we can reprogram it, but we have to do that very patiently. So a lot of times in the process that I give people, there's an exercise that teaches you how to practice shifting. And the other thing, Natalie, is we have to figure out what are our real conditioning is, we have to look at it square in the face, our shadow side, and we have to introduce ourselves to that side and say, okay now I recognize when I’m in that, and I practice during the day, when someone walks in my life that makes me angry, I have to accept responsibility that, that anger is something about me that I created. So how do I get out of that relationship and mend it? I admit that there's something in me that initiated that anger with that person, and what's the anger in me? And so we have to go inside. It’s hard work sometimes to always look within for the answers, but we are responsible for everything that shows up in our lives. So it's a matter of taking that responsibility and saying, how did I create that? And then, what can I do about it?
NL: Yeah, I think what you’re saying is that when we come from this Divine Intelligence, that we're looking within when things are showing up in our life. So rather than just being at the whim of that, we can go okay, what is my contribution here? How am I showing up in this moment for this situation to happen? Which gives us a choice about how we want to respond, and it helps us to see it in another way. And by the sound of things, by living from this perspective, what we're also doing is increasing our empathy and increasing our non-judgmental perception, because we get to see things just as they are, rather than being emotionally off-kilter because of what is showing up, would that be right?
JG: That's correct, and you know I think the most important thing is that there's some amount of work we need to do to be non-reactive.
JG: We have to really go back and look at the anger that was stored up over the years. And in my process, I help to release that before you can get rid of those triggers, and that reactive nature that we all have, and simply respond. Because it's all well and good to say well I know they're angry at me because I'm angry... but in the moment, in the heat of the moment, you know it's hard to not be reactive. So there's some work we need to do to disentangle ourselves from all that’s happened to us, that has built up this emotional box we’re sitting on, that sometimes just controls us.
JG: In psychology, we would call it locus of control, in the sense that you're grounded from your own knowledge of what's right and wrong, and your own ability to be in control of that instead of reaction to the outside world, and that's where I was living. I think we've all lived at times before we wake up, in that moment of “I have no control over my life and things are happening to me, and it's so horrible” - that wake up moment, that wake-up call we usually get it several times, and that’s our chance to say, “I think I’m going to look at life a little differently and I want to start thinking about what I’m thinking about and feeling about and get that changed.”
JG: And so I think the difference, maybe the uniqueness, of the process that I developed is, it really helps you to get that out of your mind so that you can rewire. Because you can't always put up new wallpaper over old wallpaper because it doesn't stick. So there's some work that my process helps you do to release those old happenings so that you can begin to be free, to be in the moment and to stay in the moment.
NL: Yeah, it's about the quality of the questions that we ask ourselves. So rather than the question being “Why are they pushing my buttons?” the question is “Why do I have a button? Why is it being able to be pushed?” I know that also with the work that you do, that you are not just working with people who are looking to incorporate this practice, but you also certify people to teach this kind of information. And I think the other part of this too is that if you are watching this show and you're someone who is at the point in your life where you're going ‘I don't even know who I am anymore’, ‘I feel like I'm numb’, ‘I don't feel like I’m connected’, ‘I don't know who I am really,’ then the work that you do really helps us to go internally to figure out what that is.
JG: My last client that I saw a couple of days ago, that just finished the process, she said that you know it's one thing to say that a process is life-changing, but she said this process is life-saving. Because we don’t know who we are until we really go through that process.
NL: Somehow we really connect back with the essence of who we truly are. Well, Dr. Jayne, where can we send people to reach out to you and find out more about you and connect with you?
JG: I'd love for you come to my website at www.divineintelligenceinstitute.com and there's a free test you can take there on your spiritual IQ, so you can figure out what level you are as to how far you've gone into your findings of the Divine Intelligence, and then go from there. We have some suggestions to send you, places after that you might try different things. So try the IQ test if you haven't tried that first, you can also buy my book and we have different ways you can take the process. But a good way to start is simply to see where you are first.
NL: Yeah, perfect. And guys if you're watching this online, just click the banner to the side it’ll take you straight through to Dr. Jayne’s website. If you're watching this on the app, click the banner underneath. And so guys I encourage you to share this video. Please let's get the word out. You can do that by clicking the Facebook and the Twitter share buttons on the page. And remember if you're watching on YouTube, click the link underneath so you can take the 30-second quiz to help you figure out what's holding you back, and leave your email if you're watching this online. So thanks again Dr. Jayne for joining me, such a pleasure having you.
JG: Thank you.
NL: So guys until next time, remember to live large, choose courageously and love without limits. We’ll see you soon.