Natalie interviews personal development gurus and inspiring people from all over the globe on her super popular online show!
Join The Inspiration Community
& Receive a FREE copy of
MANIFESTING WITH THE MASTERS
Claim Your FREE Copy Of Manifesting With The Masters!
An inspiring 5-part video series featuring 5 of the world’s top Law of Attraction gurus!
You'll also periodically receive emails with inspirationals message, videos, interesting offers and cool freebies.
NL: Hi, everyone. My name is Natalie Ledwell and this is The Inspiration Show. Today on the show, I have a very special guest who is talking about a really different healing modality- one that you probably haven't heard of before. It actually comes from Europe and this gentleman is now teaching this here in the U.S. I thought it was a great idea to get some exposure and to inform you of this new modality that's around. But, before we do that and before I get into introducing my special guest, I just want to remind you that if you are watching this show live on Facebook, or later on our YouTube channel, don't forget that after the show is over. If you can click the link below this video, you'll be able to take a 30-second quiz that will help us to discover what is holding you back from success- so that we can help you move past that in a much more empowered way. So, please help me in welcoming my guest, Cedric Bertelli. How are you, Cedric?
CB: Wonderful! Thank you for having me on the show.
NL: Yeah, it's a pleasure to have you here. That's a French accent I hear, is it?
CB: Well... I'm from Ohio, I'm kidding. Yes, yes. I’m from France.
NL: My joke is, “no, I'm from Texas”. Right. So before we get into the meat of our conversation today, why don't we just talk a little bit about your background and your story. How did you become interested in doing this specific modality?
CB: Well, you know, my British career was very different. I used to work for the Ritz-Carlton here in California in Hartman Bay. I was a director of the restaurant and I had a reputation to have quite some tantrum and for being anxious, nervous. So I was looking to find ways to feel better - to be a better leader, to feel better in my skin, in my life. I tried different modalities – psychotherapy, all things - like everybody I guess. By coincidence I found this TIPI program in France. They were having quite some publicity at the time because they were saying anybody could resolve any kind of emotional difficulty within 30 minutes. So I felt skeptical but, it’s California and you try everything, right?
CB: So I contacted them from here in the U.S. and I did a session with somebody on the phone- me here and them in France. The emotion that I was working on, which was a very strong anger that I've been carrying for years.... The emotion I was working on did not come back after 30 minutes. So it didn't come back for several months and still not here. I mean... I don't feel it anymore. So after trying the work and noticing that, I learned how to do the work on myself, by myself. I learned to regulate my own difficulties – emotional difficulties- and after regulating four major difficulties and seeing that they were not coming back, I became very curious. I picked up the phone and contacted the program in France). I said, “Hey I don't know anything about sensory memory, emotions... But what you're doing is really interesting and I'd love to learn. Will you allow me in the program? And they said, “Yes. Come on over”. So I quit my job at the Ritz and I went to France to study what I'm doing now in 2009.
NL: Wow! Ok, so this sounds incredible. Tell me like the so what does TIPI stand for?
CB: So TIPI is a French acronym. It's the name of a French research program and the translation will be “technique for the sensory identification of subconscious fears”.
CB: That doesn't mean much, really.
CB: They had to find a name, you know?
NL: Right. It's kind of catchy, so that's great. Explain how it works. Like, I know you're familiar with EFT and other modalities, so what makes it different to something like tapping, or one of those modalities?
CB: Yeah, very well taken. It’s a great question. It was created by a gentleman named Luke Nicon. Luke Nicon is a French researcher in pedagogy and in behavioral sciences. His specialty is the sensory memory- so whatever your body is doing without you noticing it. Luke is recognized in Europe for one main discovery and it's for being able to isolate a natural biological capacity that every single human being has for emotional regulation. He was able to prove that from a point of emotion, when you feel an emotion -such as depression, anxiety, anger- everything is connected and you can regulate the emotion once and for all. Extremely quick. We’re talking between two seconds to a minute and a half for complete resolution. So what we do, when I receive clients for example, is that we're able to retrigger the emotional memory very quickly within a second and use a physical sensation present in the body, after this regulation, to revisit, through sensations and not intellectually, the origin of the difficulty.
CB: The fact to do that allow the brain, the neural system, to integrate once and for all new information. So what I would say, to answer your question more precisely, is that all these other techniques are wonderful - EFT – they’re all wonderful, but I think they all find ways to tap into this natural capacity that we all have. I think the strength of Luke is he was able to isolate the ability for emotional regulation first, understand how it works and from this understanding find the right way to trigger it and use it.
CB: So it's a lot of things basically.
NL: Right. So, you’re saying for this to be effective, you need to isolate the event, or the situation, where the emotion started?
CB: Not started, that’s the beauty of it. Just in your life today when you feel this emotion. So we're never going to go back to some kind of trauma, or childhood thing. No. In your life today, what is the problem? Because the way that you feel the emotion today, that you live the emotion today, opens the right window of opportunity to regulate it. It doesn't matter when it started.
CB: At least for our work, it doesn't matter. It doesn't help me to help clients to understand why they started feeling this way. Today, the way they are is exactly how we need them.
NL: Right. So you're saying to tap into the emotion of anger, or anxiety, or stress or whatever it is that's bothering them now.... To be in that emotion and then from that emotion be able to use this modality?
CB: Absolutely, yes. We actually teach people once a month how to do this work on themselves, by themselves for free.
CB: It’s a public training. We explain when you feel the emotion, when the emotion is in you, it's exactly when you can access this natural ability. For that you don't need me, you don't need any therapist. You can do it on yourself.
CB: So that’s available to everybody. But, sometimes it's difficult for people to catch the emotion when it’s there.
CB: So that's why we train specialists to retrigger the emotion for people to do a session anytime they want.
NL: So what are you actually doing once you're in that emotion? With tapping, you can be in a stressful situation and sort of, like under the table, start tapping or whatever, but is this something that's easily applicable like that? How does this work?
CB: Yes, absolutely. It's extremely simple and most say it's too simple to be true. But, hey, our body is wired to do that! It's like sleeping. It doesn't have to be complicated. It's extremely simple and, to answer your question, here it goes: When you feel the emotion, let's say anger. You have a meeting or a phone interview and someone really pissed you off... Okay?
CB: Well, as you feel the emotional you can say, “okay, give me a second” and you turn off the camera and the microphone. The only thing you have to do is close your eyes. You pay attention to your physical sensations, and only your physical sensations, and you let your sensations evolve. You let them evolve without trying to understand what's going on, without trying to control the sensations. You observe the sensations as they evolve in your body until you feel calm. When you feel calm, you can open your eyes. That's it.
NL: Right. So, let’s say... Ok, you can’t use driving in traffic because you can't close your eyes when you're doing that. Let's say someone cut in front of you in a line when you’re lining up to go to Starbucks or something. Someone's cutting in front of you in the line and you can feel the anger bubbling up…
NL: So what you do is you close your eyes. Sorry. Close your eyes and then all you're doing is noticing how this anger is manifesting in your body.
CB: Through sensations...
NL: Yeah. So, the sensations... The physical sensations that you're feeling. But you ride it out. It's not like you're trying to suppress it. You actually let bubble up until it dissipates.
CB: Absolutely, you consciously observe the physical sensations as they evolve in your body. You will see that once you pay attention to your sensations something magical is going to happen. When you pay attention to your sensations, your emotional reaction, your anger, will stop. Because as a human being, you cannot be in the sensorial, so in the physical sensations, and in the emotional these are two very different channels. So if you’re angry because somebody is cutting in front of you, you remove yourself from the line. You close your eyes, maybe you sit down to close your eyes, and you pay attention to your sensations. When you pay attention to the sensation, the emotional reaction will stop. The emotion will stay active in you but only under the shape of physical sensations, so there is no more reaction. Once you connect it to the sensations, you will see the sensations do not stay static. They’re going to start to evolve; that’s the evolution of the sensations. They will evolve between two seconds and a minute and a half maximum. They would never evolve longer.
CB: That's why when you’re in a TIPI session, when you have a specialist, it takes 30 minutes maximum because we need to do some coaching, but then the evolution is extremely quick.
CB: If you’re able to consciously surrender, so to speak, to the physical sensations as they evolve, you allow the brain to integrate information that has been trapped in you for years sometimes. Basically, you just need to let your body do its job.
CB: And integrate this information.
NL: Right, so what's technically happening? We're just shifting our focus, or we're shifting from one part of the brain to the other? What's physiologically happening?
CB: Very good question. See our emotional responses are stored in the reptilian brain, right?
CB: Okay, the only way the reptilian brain can communicate to our consciousness is through physical sensations- that's the only way. The way that an emotion works in the body is first through physical sensations and then the frontal cortex recognize that and then come the emotion.
CB: Yeah. How do you know that you feel angry, or happy, or jealous, or sad? How do you know that? How do we know that?
NL: Well, without thinking about it, I would say, “Because I think angry thoughts”. You know... I'm thinking that the thought comes first, not the physical response to it.
CB: The fact of the matter is that it comes first through sensations. Every single emotion that we feel is a specific set of physical sensations. So first it starts with a physical sensation and then the emotion comes. An emotion only happens in us, as human beings, when our intellect cannot manage a first set of sensations. Most of the time during our day, things happen. We are being, we see things, we have our quick reaction and our intellect is managing what's happening -and we learn and we move on. Sometimes, when we have a disrupted emotional pattern, what's happening is there is a situation that keeps on coming that our intellect cannot manage- in the sense that it doesn't stop the physical sensation in our body. Our reptilian brain is screaming, “alert!” and our index cannot manage it, and that's where emotions come in.
NL: Nice. So just by focusing and letting the physical response to the emotion work its way through, is that what we’re doing? We’re letting it work its way through until it's done and then that's it?
CB: That's it. What is happening, what Luke Nicon found, is that the physical sensation felt during an emotion, when you feel an emotion, well the very first sensations experienced were the first time the emotion was created.
CB: The fact to re-experience them from a today perspective to re-experience those very first sensations from a present perspective, consciously, allows the brain to realize that this emotional reaction nowadays is ... Archaic?
NL: Yes... Archaic.
CB: Hey, don’t make fun of me...
NL: No. Hey, I’ve got an accent too. It's all right.
CB: So the fact that you tap into those sensations and re-experience them consciously, we expand those very first sensations. Basically, we allow the brain to integrate the response once and for all. People tell you it's impossible. We've been carrying emotions for 10, 20, 30 years. It's impossible that a few seconds we will resolve this emotion. But, think about it. When we cut ourselves, or burn ourselves, after a few days, few weeks the body recovers. Our bones recover when we break them. Well, emotionally that's exactly the same thing. When we cut ourselves, or we burn ourselves, sure sometimes we need a little ointment, but the body recovers by itself. It heals itself. It has this ability for emotions. That's exactly the same thing, except that we're thinking so much about them, we stay so much in our emotion instead of letting the body process what has to be processed- then we’ve stopped our regular process.
CB: What we found is finding a way to allow the body to heal itself, to... I don't know if it’s the right word here.... But to do what it's meant to do.
NL: Right. So it sounds like the first time we felt, say, anger- and I'm assuming that we were a child at the time- that we had a certain physical response to it. So every time anger comes up, we automatically go into this same repetitive physical response. By first stopping the emotion mentally and then focusing on the physical thing, we're actually interrupting the pattern. And, by letting it just then to run its course and go through, that actually eliminates it from happening again.
CB: Absolutely. You're right. By consciously, following the sensation, which is an active process, it’s not passive. Your attention is in the sensations and you let them evolve. You let them evolve. To go back to the origin of emotion... I'm not going to talk about the origin of emotions because that’s Luke’s work. There’s books out there explaining etc. But what Luke found (the second discovery)... I don't know if it's maybe the first discovery that is recognized for it for being able to show that... In order for us human beings to have a disruptive emotional pattern, or a long-lasting trauma, to live with PTSD, at some point we lost, at the origin of this difficulty, a short and unwilling short loss of consciousness. So, it's a moment when our body function shut down.
CB: And this shutdown happened about 96% of the time in utero, during pregnancy or at birth.
CB: So that's that is Nicon’s main discovery- being able to link this emotional pattern to instant unwilling short loss of consciousness that happened most of the time in utero, or at birth. So basically, the physical sensations that we feel during an emotion were the physical sensations that we felt right before a loss of consciousness, or that led to a loss of consciousness.
CB: And, as you understood, those events happened way before our cognitive brain is created.
CB: So they are stored in the reptilian brain- the one that is going to respond later on.
NL: Right. Cedric we could talk for hours about this. I have obviously so many other questions and I'm sure that people that are watching this show do as well. So if they want to connect with you, or find out about the workshops and things that you're doing, where can we send them to do that?
CB: So they can go to the website. It is www.tipi.pro
NL: Great. We'll make sure that we have a banner here for you to click on to go through to that as well and we'll make sure that we have it here on the video. Cedric, thank you so much for your time today. Thank you for the work that you're doing. Obviously you've been working with many people and obviously seeing lots of results.
CB: It’s a pleasure. I mean, it's not work for me... It’s just life, I guess.
CB: Thank you so much for having me here; I really appreciate it.
NL: Oh, it was my pleasure. My pleasure having you here. So, guys, thank you for joining us on the show today. Remember, if you're watching this on Facebook live, or later on our YouTube channel, make sure that you click the link below after the show is finished, so that you can take our 30-second quiz to figure out what's holding you back from success. And, if you're watching it on mindmovies.com, just leave your email so we can send you the manifesting with the masters video e-course. So until next time... Remember to live large, choose courageously and love without limits. We'll see you soon.