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Natalie: Today on the show I'm speaking with Carol Kershaw and Bill Wayde who had written a book called, Brain Change Therapy. They talk about brain plasticity and neuro-pathways in the brain and how that relates to all you transformational work with Mind Movies. So stay tuned.
Hi I'm Natalie Ledwell and this is The Inspiration Show. And today my special guests are Carol Kershaw and Bill Wayde. Hi guys how are you?
Carol and Bill: Hi very fine.
Bill: How are you doing?
Natalie: Great, thank you, now these 2 very amazing people have sent me a book that absolutely blew my mind about brain plasticity and brain change therapy that I felt that this information has to be shared cause it really is kind of like the scientific reasoning behind things like power meditation and EFT and Mind Movies and things like that work, so what we might do first of all guys is just start with who you are and what your background is.
Carol: Ok well, I'm a clinical psychologist and Bill and I have been in practice together for more years and I don't want to tell you. And you know, we also went on an institute called The Millstone Ericson Institute which is a clinical hypnosis training institute and in addition we have the vial feedback and neuro feedback clinic.
Bill: And we house professional counselor, and licensed clergy family therapist and the supervision and training along with Carol.
Bill: And brighter topics as well as our books.
Natalie: Ok, now your book details a lot of research that you did into Brain Plasticity, what is Brain Plasticity?
Bill: Well, neuro-plasticity has to do with the fact that the brain is not formed and fixed like we used to think it was...
Bill: That all sorts of things of talking, meditation, to other external influences and internal influences actually change from where the brain functions and also changes neuro, or neurology of the brain. And so the brain is not fixed, it continues to grow and change throughout person's life.
Natalie: Right, right.
Carol: The exciting thing is we've discovered that every person has the capacity to control their physical system so you can raise and lower your body temperature, your blood pressure, but the main thing we've been wanting to focus on and have in our book, is the idea that at your metal state, really perceives everything. Your procedure prospective, your attitudes, your emotions, your behavior, so if you can shift your mental state, you can accomplish what you set your mind on.
Natalie: Right, so when we talk about mental state, are we talking about, you know, a different programming, a different opinion, all the things that we've sort of gathered in our life time?
Carol: We're actually talking about chemical and electrical activity at the brain level, that you know, sometimes we call that a certain focus of attention. So you can either be in relaxed state of focused attention, or very neuro focused attention, and then you have out of that certain emotional states, and yes, your past habituated emotional states that we've probably learned in our family sub-origin, is where we've developed certain patterns of thinking that get us both into travel and get us into success.
Bill: But just like if you have a bag of golf swing, if you can correct, you could actually correct bad thinking patterns, could also translate down to neurological level when we give you an example. In meditation, neuro-scientist have found out that meditators actually change the neural activity in their brains, and can also change the medulla, not only its functioning but also its sides, so the brain actually changes in certain exercises, certain types of therapies, actually change the brain.
Natalie: Right, now I've heard people talk about the medulla of the opponent, it seems to play an important role in you know, the way that we think for our outcomes, what role does the medulla play?
Bill: Medulla is part of the system which is the mid brain, the quote and quote, emotional brain as you will. When it's very, very excited, when it has a lot of blood flow, a lot of electrical activity, the right cortex tends to be more active and the right preferable cortex tends to be that part of the brain that signals danger. When the medulla is quiet, has less electrical, less metabolic activity, the left side of the brain, left preferable cortex, left part of the brain tends to be more active and that tends to be, that part of the brain, that creates a sense of attachment , connection of well-being.
Natalie: Right, ok. Alright so we talk about changing neuro-pathways in our brain, how does that work?
Carol: Well, so far, there have been 7 different emotional circuits that have been identified by neuro-scientists. For example; we all know that we can get fearful easily, so Bill and I, we've been looking into the neuro-science and finding some interventions people can make; how do you turn off fear? You can turn on curiosity, you cannot maintain a state of fear and be curios, so if you say, "why am I feeling this fearful feeling?" boom! You've shifted an emotional circuit and that can teach you, you can teach yourself really and have mastery over that if you practice with it.
Bill: This is the same with what people play, it's really hard to be angry and playful.
Bill: So the person learns to find humorous situation and tends to diffuse the anger and ironically, or not ironically, the person tends to be more successful in handling tense situations if they can find something either, interested or curios, or something kind of humorous about the situation.
Natalie: Right, ok, alright so, I mean what motivated you to do all these research and put this book together?
Bill: We started to look, sometime ago about what were the common trends in all types of psychotherapy, no one therapy has consistently outpaced another form of therapy, as from the statistical point of view, part of the behavioral therapy has been most researched but that's because it's the easiest to put in a manual, but when compared with all other kinds of therapies, nothing seems to statistically win the race. So Carol and I started to ask ourselves, "How come?" and so we started looking at post neural science, what actually happens in the brain. When, say a person goes to kind of behavioral therapy or meditation, or hypnosis, or whatever, some of the technologies like neuro-feedback, and we found a common denominator and that was that the brain actually made changes, either in a functional way or the structural way and so there is this connection of all these different ways that people change, that actually change the brain, and that's how we get started.
Carol: And so we did feel like we... if there is a silver bullet for transformation, we feel like we have found it which has to do with people learning how to practice being in the mental state that they wanna be in for the activity and that's where your Mind Movies come in, that really does help. Now people train staying in that state for long periods of time.
Natalie: Right, and you know cause I often, when I teach about you know, Law of Attraction or Personal Development, I always talk about how we need to start from a happy place first before we set our goals, you know, you need to be in a high vibration or in a happy state of mind before you start, you know setting intentions in those topic things as well. So this is what we are really talking about right?
Carol: That is and some people can't immediately go to a happy place, so, but we've all had experiences where we've been feeling confident and secured, and warm and pleasant, and if you can go back and recall those, and you can actually practice the emotion, by recalling and getting through the details of the experience, then you're there.
Bill: That's where hypnosis sometimes plays a part, and the person can get relaxed or neuro-feedback, mediation, or I was reading an article about Earl Gnome and he said that he wanted his patients, just from a second dynamic perspective; he wanted his patients to be as curios about themselves as he was about them. So even just in conversation, if you're interacting with the person and that person has a sense of curiosity, respect for curiosity about you, it tends to trigger that kind of same emotion with you because of our macro-neurons.
Natalie: Right, now the book was called Brain Change Therapy, now is this a therapy that you guys have created?
Bill and Carol: Yes.
Natalie: Yep and so tell me a little bit more about what Brain Change Therapy is.
Carol: Well we, we used several different modalities, but the whole idea is focused on people developing what we call their TARGET STATE, that means, we in fact, we asked people if we can wave a magic wand, what mental state would you like to stay in more often than not, how do you get into state of thriving, and stay there longer periods of time, because mostly everybody has had a little simple butts of speed, if you have it, you know. Dangled their toes into waters and most people know what their target state is so then we asked them, "when have you been in that target state before?" and usually people can cove that up, and we tell them, "then you need to practice that." If they can't quite go there immediately, we can help them build it.
Bill: When we have a conversation with somebody, what we do in our very intentional direction to help the person even if we're not asking the question, we are very intentional about triggering or trying to elicit that kind of brain response. So curiosity, playfulness, nurture... we know that mind in some ways, not only as continues as within the cranium but in a conversation between 2 people. So if you're looking for an insight, it's not the insight so much as it its process of curiosity that sets a person on a journey of asking questions, and then they get on stuck, and so there has a slightly different focus of attention for us as therapists.
Natalie: Right, ok. So this goes my question is, like how does this relate to something like meditation or Mind Movies?
Carol: Well meditation can certainly help you practice being in a particular state of mind and your Mind Movies, your, you know, you could do a future.... We would call that future orientation, your practice, your practicing being in the most positive future that you wanna be at. The brain if left you at self with the mind, left you at self, no wonder enter negative thinking. And so, you know these sorts of activity are really creating a kind of mental training for a person to stay in this positive state for long periods of time.
Natalie: Right, right.
Bill: We are personally meditating, we practice focusing on the breath, what they are really doing is practicing letting go of thought. Can truly keep coming back through the breath, just the basic mind force. So when that triggers, it's the sense of curiosity, it also helps the person shift gears. This simply become frustrated when you let all the frustration, you may say, "I'm no good at this." Were you? In that state. So with meditation, or with Mind Movies, there's always this change taking place that really relates to neuro-chemical activity in the brain.
Natalie: Alright, so this sounds like this is a little bit of effort in the beginning but obviously, is this easier over time?
Carol: Yes it is. That's when anything that you practice would be easier, easier, easier, and actually, people practice negative thinking, they practice negative thinking more often than not and so, this is just going in the opposite direction, a little hard in the beginning, but they'll get it after a while.
Natalie: And this is because they've changed the neuro-pathways in their brains so, now these positive, you know, thoughts are more, are more natural thoughts now rather than falling to these deep thoughts which is knowing negative thoughts.
Carol: That's right.
Bill: Practicing bad golf swing and it's like practicing good golf swing, get a good golf coach, and you would probably get a good reward though. Practice mental training, and you begin buy the fault, get to that state and must work with them.
Natalie: Yeah fantastic, now thinking, I could talk to you for hours about this subject cause it's so fascinating to me, because for me it's like, you know, I know when we spoke before, it's like you know, I know when you applied these different principles about Law of Attraction, I know what the result is gonna be, but I couldn't explain scientifically why that is so, but the work that you are doing actually explains all that fantastic! So if people wanna find out more about you guys, or get their hands on the book, where can we send them?
Carol: Well, amazon-brain change therapy, they can also go to our website; doctorscarolandbill.com, and bill and I do a lot of workshops all over the United States and out of the country so we're available for that and we do Skype appointments as well, so if they wanna call us, we'll be happy to talk to them.
Natalie: Fantastic. Now guys remember, if you click on the banner to the side, then you'll actually go straight through to Carol and Bill's website from there as well. So thank you so much for joining me today.
Bill: We certainly love to thank you for having us.
Carol: Thank you for having us.
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